Comments on: Oh noes! I’m voting for the anti-Christ! http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/ A "good enough" mom muses about alpha moms, adoption, computers, the State Of The World, Internet quirkiness, and the Kosmik All Fri, 25 May 2012 00:04:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Kaz http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38034 Kaz Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:14:44 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38034 Whoops, sorry, managed to cut off the reference for the second paragraph - it's http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm Whoops, sorry, managed to cut off the reference for the second paragraph - it’s http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

]]> By: Kaz http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38033 Kaz Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:13:20 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38033 Spacemom - I'm afraid I don't agree with your last paragraph and, seemingly, neither does the rest of the American public. According to the First Amendment Center: "Sixty-five percent of Americans believe that the nation's founders intended the U.S. to be a Christian nation and 55% believe that the Constitution establishes a Christian nation, according to the “State of the First Amendment 2007” national survey released Sept. 11 by the First Amendment Center." (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19031&loc=interstitialskip). Also "Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that: 81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Source: . I'm sorry but that seems to me to suggest that the vast majority of Americans class themselves as Christian of some form or other and 55% believe the US should be a Christian nation. How is this NOT going to affect their voting? Spacemom - I’m afraid I don’t agree with your last paragraph and, seemingly, neither does the rest of the American public. According to the First Amendment Center: “Sixty-five percent of Americans believe that the nation’s founders intended the U.S. to be a Christian nation and 55% believe that the Constitution establishes a Christian nation, according to the “State of the First Amendment 2007” national survey released Sept. 11 by the First Amendment Center.” (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=19031&loc=interstitialskip).

Also “Polling data from the 2001 ARIS study, described below, indicate that: 81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Source: . I’m sorry but that seems to me to suggest that the vast majority of Americans class themselves as Christian of some form or other and 55% believe the US should be a Christian nation. How is this NOT going to affect their voting?

]]> By: B mama http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38000 B mama Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:58:35 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-38000 I don't have anything further to add - I agree wholeheartedly with Kaz and others above. But I'm glad you're blogging about this Omegamom. I don’t have anything further to add - I agree wholeheartedly with Kaz and others above. But I’m glad you’re blogging about this Omegamom.

]]> By: Spacemom http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37949 Spacemom Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:30:27 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37949 Ah yes. Joann-in-NJ Although the majority of this country is Christian, that doesn't mean everyone believes the Bible is literal truth. There is no reason to assume that every person who is Christian believes exactly what you do. What does "believe in the Bible" mean any way? Does it mean you believe it exists? as in "I believe in ghosts"? Does it mean you take it literally? How do you reconcile the two forms of genesis? If they both are true what does that mean? Many Christians DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS LITERAL. Many Christians simply try to live as Jesus lived and follow his teachings alone. If you've ever really read the accounts of the apocalypse, you would realize that John was seriously taking something when he wrote this.It was clearly written to scare people into a belief. The text is so incredibly crazy that it make an LSD trip sound like a walk in the park. Caompared to all other texts about Jesus, this one is the one that doesn't fit. In fact, all of John's writing doesn't fit with the rest. Anyway, what I am saying, this is the part of the Bible that describes the anti-Christ. And it doesn't fit with the rest. Did G-d already promise not to destroy the Earth again after the flood with Noah? Anyway, I am digressing here. To assume that ONE religion would dictate our election is a bit bat-shit crazy. America and the world are not all Christian. My family and I could care less what the majority believes because we believe Ben Franklin and that we need to avoid the tyranny of the majority! (I think it was Ben who said that!) Ah yes.
Joann-in-NJ
Although the majority of this country is Christian, that doesn’t mean everyone believes the Bible is literal truth. There is no reason to assume that every person who is Christian believes exactly what you do. What does “believe in the Bible” mean any way? Does it mean you believe it exists? as in “I believe in ghosts”? Does it mean you take it literally? How do you reconcile the two forms of genesis? If they both are true what does that mean? Many Christians DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS LITERAL. Many Christians simply try to live as Jesus lived and follow his teachings alone.

If you’ve ever really read the accounts of the apocalypse, you would realize that John was seriously taking something when he wrote this.It was clearly written to scare people into a belief. The text is so incredibly crazy that it make an LSD trip sound like a walk in the park. Caompared to all other texts about Jesus, this one is the one that doesn’t fit. In fact, all of John’s writing doesn’t fit with the rest.

Anyway, what I am saying, this is the part of the Bible that describes the anti-Christ. And it doesn’t fit with the rest. Did G-d already promise not to destroy the Earth again after the flood with Noah?

Anyway, I am digressing here. To assume that ONE religion would dictate our election is a bit bat-shit crazy. America and the world are not all Christian. My family and I could care less what the majority believes because we believe Ben Franklin and that we need to avoid the tyranny of the majority! (I think it was Ben who said that!)

]]> By: Elaine http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37883 Elaine Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:52:44 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37883 I don't claim to completely understand the 'logic' at work here, but I'm guessing that the mark against you for voting for the Anti-Christ would probably mitigate against your chances of being swept up in the rapture. Even if you want the rapture to come, you can't sully your morality by voting for evil. Or something like that. Yeah. I'm a Christian and believe that the Bible is inspired scripture - not literal, not inerrant, not historical - but still some good stuff. The 'end of the world' stuff, methinks, is metaphorical and prophetic not to be taken as a guidebook to the apocalypse. And if someone, like Joann perhaps, wants to take it all so literally, I'd recommend caution. For we are pretty clearly told that NO ONE knows the day or the hour that the end will come and that to claim to know that? Dangerous territory. Dangerous. Further, I'm pretty well convinced that neither ticket is headed by the Anti-Christ or by the Messiah. But I'm voting for the liberal black guy who seems to value the same principles of care for the poor and avoidance of violence that I find in the Bible. That's my brand of batshit crazy. I don’t claim to completely understand the ‘logic’ at work here, but I’m guessing that the mark against you for voting for the Anti-Christ would probably mitigate against your chances of being swept up in the rapture. Even if you want the rapture to come, you can’t sully your morality by voting for evil.
Or something like that.
Yeah.
I’m a Christian and believe that the Bible is inspired scripture - not literal, not inerrant, not historical - but still some good stuff. The ‘end of the world’ stuff, methinks, is metaphorical and prophetic not to be taken as a guidebook to the apocalypse. And if someone, like Joann perhaps, wants to take it all so literally, I’d recommend caution. For we are pretty clearly told that NO ONE knows the day or the hour that the end will come and that to claim to know that? Dangerous territory. Dangerous.
Further, I’m pretty well convinced that neither ticket is headed by the Anti-Christ or by the Messiah. But I’m voting for the liberal black guy who seems to value the same principles of care for the poor and avoidance of violence that I find in the Bible. That’s my brand of batshit crazy.

]]> By: noreen http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37858 noreen Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:19:14 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37858 The rise of the Christian right is the scariest thing that has happened in politics, in this country, in my lifetime. My biggest problem with a lot of the religiosity I encounter is that it's not backed up with spirituality and to me, spirituality is what counts. This was a great post. The rise of the Christian right is the scariest thing that has happened in politics, in this country, in my lifetime. My biggest problem with a lot of the religiosity I encounter is that it’s not backed up with spirituality and to me, spirituality is what counts. This was a great post.

]]> By: preTzel http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37854 preTzel Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:24:50 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37854 Girl, you're going to get the BSC squad knocking on your blog. Here is what confounds me about the religious: Predicting that Obama is the anti - Christ and predicting that Rapture will begin in 2012 (that's the latest date) is much akin to being a prophet, a seer, and those, from what I recall, were all seen as devil worshippers and not true Christians. I have a cousin that believes if Obama is voted in to office the white people will be suppressed, white children will not get a "fair education", and that we will see some white folks become white "slaves" to the black folk. Did I ever tell you about the one straight branch on our family tree? Hang in there K, I've got your back and I *am* BSC and don't deny it. ;) Girl, you’re going to get the BSC squad knocking on your blog.

Here is what confounds me about the religious: Predicting that Obama is the anti - Christ and predicting that Rapture will begin in 2012 (that’s the latest date) is much akin to being a prophet, a seer, and those, from what I recall, were all seen as devil worshippers and not true Christians.

I have a cousin that believes if Obama is voted in to office the white people will be suppressed, white children will not get a “fair education”, and that we will see some white folks become white “slaves” to the black folk. Did I ever tell you about the one straight branch on our family tree?

Hang in there K, I’ve got your back and I *am* BSC and don’t deny it. ;)

]]> By: Jean http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37848 Jean Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:22:17 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37848 If the Anti-Christ is supposed to come first and do all this nasty stuff, to be followed than by the return of Jesus Christ (Jeshawa ben Joseph to his Apostles) who will scoop up all his believers for a life ever after of bliss in Heaven. than wouldn't that be George W. Bush as the first and Obama as the savior???? I bet those bsc's also are died in the 1860's Creationist World. A good book by noted Christian scholar, Bart D, Ehrman is Lost Christianities, The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew. It's an eye opener on how the Bible as we know it came to be. If the Anti-Christ is supposed to come first and do all this nasty stuff, to be followed than by the return of Jesus Christ (Jeshawa ben Joseph to his Apostles) who will scoop up all his believers for a life ever after of bliss in Heaven. than wouldn’t that be George W. Bush as the first and Obama as the savior???? I bet those bsc’s also are died in the 1860’s Creationist World.

A good book by noted Christian scholar, Bart D, Ehrman is Lost Christianities, The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew. It’s an eye opener on how the Bible as we know it came to be.

]]> By: GrannyJ http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37844 GrannyJ Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:40 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37844 Hey -- I'm all confused -- I thought that Obama was the second coming! Hey — I’m all confused — I thought that Obama was the second coming!

]]> By: lizard http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37825 lizard Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:12:03 +0000 http://omegamom.com/2008/10/26/oh-noes-im-voting-for-the-anti-christ/#comment-37825 I totally agree with Kaz, up there. and for Joann, though you didn't ask me, I would like to say that there is a difference among christians. actually, there are a lot of differences. there are christians who believe the bible as literal truth (batshit crazy/ BSC to me for sure) and there are christians who think it's a bunch of educational and illustrative stories that are very useful and talk about the events on which they base their faith. there are christians who believe that if you believe differently from them that you will go to some mythical hell (BSC) and those who believe or understand that there are many paths to enlightenment and good, moral behavior, and that not all of them lead through their particular religion. There are even some christians who believe that the path can lead through no religion, though they fully admit that they are different and they have a faith. This kind seem to be to be the closest followers of christ. christians get a bad name because of course there are the BSC christians out there, there are people like Sarah Palin who says that she thinks the End of Days is coming in her lifetime and that it will look just like it says in the bible. There are loonies who believe that the bible is the literal truth, that everything in it happened exactly as it says, and that it is a good and right and true predictor of the future, not just a nice bunch of stories that try to illustrate good behavior. People who don't know that there are many books of the bible that have been omitted (because not only was the writing down part done by men, but the choices of what is in and what is out was also done by men. Look for the apocrypha. There are other books that were excluded for various reasons). it is possible to be christian and not be BSC, and it is definitely possible to be BSC and not a christian. but in american politics, I have to say that christian and BSC come together an awful lot. I totally agree with Kaz, up there.

and for Joann, though you didn’t ask me, I would like to say that there is a difference among christians. actually, there are a lot of differences.

there are christians who believe the bible as literal truth (batshit crazy/ BSC to me for sure) and there are christians who think it’s a bunch of educational and illustrative stories that are very useful and talk about the events on which they base their faith.

there are christians who believe that if you believe differently from them that you will go to some mythical hell (BSC) and those who believe or understand that there are many paths to enlightenment and good, moral behavior, and that not all of them lead through their particular religion. There are even some christians who believe that the path can lead through no religion, though they fully admit that they are different and they have a faith. This kind seem to be to be the closest followers of christ.

christians get a bad name because of course there are the BSC christians out there, there are people like Sarah Palin who says that she thinks the End of Days is coming in her lifetime and that it will look just like it says in the bible. There are loonies who believe that the bible is the literal truth, that everything in it happened exactly as it says, and that it is a good and right and true predictor of the future, not just a nice bunch of stories that try to illustrate good behavior. People who don’t know that there are many books of the bible that have been omitted (because not only was the writing down part done by men, but the choices of what is in and what is out was also done by men. Look for the apocrypha. There are other books that were excluded for various reasons).

it is possible to be christian and not be BSC, and it is definitely possible to be BSC and not a christian. but in american politics, I have to say that christian and BSC come together an awful lot.

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