19th February 2008

I’ll come up with a catchy title later

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Any ideas?

Wow!  My homeschooling post has generated a lot of chatter, new viewers, and an absolutely lovely take-off a la Mark Antony’s famous speech in Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar, written by Dana, which is an absolute must-read and much classier (and classical) than my rantlet.

Some very valid objections to homeschooling were voiced, as were some equally valid supportive points.  I’m trying to pull the various commentary together into a coherent whole that I can respond to, but it may take a while to work my way through this.

First, we have the objections to homeschooling and a few good points about public schooling:

  • Kate suggested that out-of-the-home-school gives one survival instincts that are priceless in the corporate world…which can be true, but to me can be seen as a sad commentary on both schooling and corporations.  I know far too many nerds who only "survived" middle and high school, blossoming only once they were out of the strictly age-regimented, slightly Lord-Of-The-Flies world that the school system provided them.
  • Lisa had a neighbor with 10 children who "homeschooled".  I put the word in quotes because apparently this family’s idea of homeschooling was to just let the children fend for themselves.  Unfortunately, yes, this can happen and does happen.
  • Johnny points out that his eldest niece lost out on science and math teaching because of the prejudices of the science/math teacher in his sister’s homeschooling co-op.  This makes me sad and mad and frustrated–because any niece of Johnny’s is likely to have been more than capable of understanding and liking the scientific viewpoint.
  • Dosia was homeschooled until she took control of her own life and enrolled herself in the local public school system in her sophomore year.  I salute:  that took immense guts.  I don’t think I could have gone against my own parents in so forceful a way at that age; I was a beige adolescent who liked to fade into the background as much as possible, and didn’t discover a real backbone or real courage until I had been living on my own for quite a while.  Dosia’s take is that her parents had insecurities and biases of their own that they impressed upon their children, and not having any other outlet, the children absorbed that set and have been struggling ever since to restructure their lives.

Then we look at some viewpoints from homeschooling proponents:

  • Adso of Melk rightly points out that the dynamics of teaching 30 kids versus teaching three are vastly different, something totally glossed over by the author of the article.
  • Dawn, a teacher who homeschooled three of her children, mentions in passing NCLB.  I despise NCLB with a passion, because I believe the way it is implemented almost forces school districts to "teach to the test".  In the Best of All Possible Worlds, school systems would sneer at the very idea of "teaching to the test" and proclaim, loudly and proudly, that providing children with good educations will allow them to pass the tests with flying colors any time.  Unfortunately, when federal funds are tied to test scores, pride and self-confidence take a flying leap out the nearest school administrator’s window.
  • Erika says that her neighbor, a teacher considering homeschooling her kids, is also concerned about the way that NCLB "ties the hands" of teachers.
  • Crimson Wife notes that the original article’s author has degrees in Early Childhood Education and Elementary Education.  I admit my jaw dropped when I read that.  For some reason (perhaps the poor writing, lousy structure, and the fifty kazillion spelling and grammar errors) I had just assumed that the author was a high school student, writing in response to an assignment.  I confess:  I didn’t even look to see.  That’ll teach me.

The problem, of course, is that the process and end result of homeschooling is highly influenced by the abilities, motivations, and determination of the parents doing the schooling.  On the one hand, public schooling does try to adhere to certain standards across the board, though how well the application of those standards works is spotty…on the other hand, over-standardization of homeschooling in an attempt to avoid egregious problems would end up making it a Mini-Me of the public school system.  On the one hand, you have cases like those mentioned by Johnny, Lisa, and Dosia, where homeschooling has clearly failed, either outright or in part, to produce well-balanced and well-educated end results (adults)…on the other hand, you have cases like those cited by Dawn and me, where the parents were determined to provide the best education they could for their children, while ensuring that the socializing aspects of childhood and adolescence were equally attended to.

I haven’t investigated longitudinal results.  If anyone can point me to studies done by universities or educational associations or well-respected thinktanks, I’d be interested to see them.  The problem I have is that many opponents of homeschooling tend to see it as a religion-driven method of indoctrinating children into specific religious worldviews, and throw the baby out with the bathwater, as it were, by waving their hands at the extremes.  The same happens on the other side, of course.  Me–I’m a numbers person.  I like studies.  I like hard numbers.  So sue me.  If someone is going to argue that homeschooling is either Bad or Good, I want to see solid evidence to back up that argument.   I’ve got anecdotes galore on both sides, but the plural of anecdote is not data.  Give me data.

OmegaGranny has, at times, hinted to me that I might consider it, motivated, I think, by worries about the mediocrity of the public school system.  I’ve thought of it.  But I personally don’t think I’d homeschool; my dotter is strong-willed and I am short-tempered, and that combination can be deadly. 

On a side note:  Folks noted that I used the F-word.  Ahem.  Yes, I did.  What can I say?  Yo!  Dudes!  I grew up on the near-nort’ side of Chicago, near Cabrini Green!  I worked in journalism!  My peeps, they use those words!  I could use "messed up their children", but that’s a dreadfully mild way to describe what some parents do to their kids.  There are times when a good F-bomb is about the only way I can express my indignation succinctly and clearly.

There are currently 10 responses to “I’ll come up with a catchy title later”

  1. 1 On February 19th, 2008, Blog Antatonist said:

    My teacher friend and I go round and round on this issue. She’s not against homeschooling, but she’s not ready to give up on public school yet, although she is enormously frustrated.

    I think there are pros and cons to every option. I think the biggest factor is the child. My older child thrives in public school and would not be happy homeschooled. My youngest child would probably do better because of his learning issues and because he’s just does better independantly.

    I considered home schooling, but like you, I lack the patience to deal with my very strong willed child on a daily basis.

    See, there’s another factor…personality types and how they mesh. It’s a very complex issue with no pat answer. It’s extremely subjective.

  2. 2 On February 19th, 2008, Johnny said:

    And the sad followup? My niece was indeed very smart. She got delayed in science. She didn’t get a scholarship. She tried 1 year at community college, sorta dropped out and now works selling cosmetics. I bet those boys in the boys-only science class went to college.

  3. 3 On February 19th, 2008, Crimson Wife said:

    One of the benefits I’ve noticed since I quit my job and started homeschooling is how much easier-to-deal with my oldest has become. She’s so much more cooperative, polite, and calm than she used to be when she spent 45 hours/week at a daycare center. Gordon Neufeld and Gabor Mate wrote a very interesting book called “Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers” about the pitfalls of “peer dependence”. Traditional schools foster this kind of negative peer influence, where kids start to look to other kids for guidance rather than to their parents or other adult authority figures.

  4. 4 On February 19th, 2008, Crimson Wife said:

    P.S. If you’re interested in academic research on the benefits of homeschooling, see: http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp

  5. 5 On February 19th, 2008, Dosia said:

    In response to #4, though I agree that these studies reflect that homeschoolers generally do very well on standardized tests (I am no exception to that trend), these studies do not take into account a number of important potential biases and issues in these data:

    1. All the studies were made/commissioned by organizations with an interest in positive results (Bob Jones University, Home Education Association, etc.).

    2. In regards to the homeschoolers scoring above the “average” public school student, I must argue that the “average” student is truly that — an average of students from the Bronx to Appalachia to the Native American reservations in the west. If you look at these communities, you will not find homeschooling families to any significant extent. Pupils from these extremely disadvantaged communities are not represented in the homeschooling community, thus biasing results towards the upper end (technically this is self-selection bias)

    3. Last but absolutely not least, the claim in this study that homeschooling ‘costs less’ is ONLY true because the teacher’s (read mother’s) labour is UNPAID. This represents significant loss of income to the home, which, whether a person stays home to care for their children OR care for and educate their children, should be acknowledged as such. In effect, the household has made a conscious decision to pay the mother to take care of the children full time. It is certainly possible to make an argument that every family should structure itself this way, but it is not a foregone conclusion (and I personally do not agree). For an excellent example of this very issue, see here: (sorry, I don’t know how to make links!)

    http://lilysea.blogs.com/peterscrossstation/2007/09/workmama-comp.html

    I am studying statistics right now, so pardon the technicalities…

  6. 6 On February 19th, 2008, mary said:

    I think home schooling has its place depending on the child, the parent, and the school system. For example, I have a friend with a child on the autism spectrum and the public schools simply did not serve him and she had the temprement and drive to learn how to teach him. I also can see home schooling when the schools aren’t safe or just are not good. On the other hand I am not persuaded by the justification sometimes given that the kids will learn/be exposed to ideas or life styles that contradict the parents’ religious teaching. I know that that have a right to homeschool, but I also know that I want my kids to be exposed to many different ideas and that we will discuss the ones that are counter to our belief systems and hope that this makes my kids stronger in our convictions.

  7. 7 On February 20th, 2008, Meredith said:

    I am a public school teacher and I am strongly considering home schooling my daughter. She is only one, so I have some time to consider, but I am telling you: public schools are totally test driven right now. I recently blogged about how I feel about the current state of things in pupblic schools (well, at least my public school). I invite you to check it out if you are interested. http://meredith1225.blogspot.com/2008/02/on-being-teacher.html

  8. 8 On February 20th, 2008, Tricia said:

    This is completely off topic, but I LOVE-LOVE-LOVE the picture of the Omegamom and her darling dotter. I think Mother and Dotter look so much alike in their happiness.

    Had to share.

  9. 9 On February 20th, 2008, ruralaspirations said:

    Hi, I found your blog via Spacemom. You wanted some research…the Fraser Institute here in Vancouver, Canada released their second review of homeschooling studies. You can read the news release here:http://www.fraserinstitute.org/COMMERCE.WEB/newsrelease.aspx?nid=4933 and I can email you the actual report if you want it or you can search their articles (http://www.fraserinstitute.org/COMMERCE.WEB/search_articles.aspx?Page=1&title=&keyword=&date=0&topic=0&sort=date&author=1299)for “homeschooling” and find the pdf there. There are no more failed homeschooling stories than there are failed school stories. The former get more attention b/c what homeschoolers actually do is little understood by the mainstream.

  10. 10 On February 21st, 2008, Trope said:

    Off-topic!
    (sigh) You would hardly recognize Cabrini Green now. It’s ground zero of the Chicago gentrification initiative… not that I’m complaining, because we have an office near there and life is much easier now that Daley and his squadron of tree-planters have arrived, but it’s amazing how things change in a short time.

    I didn’t even notice the cursing. I suppose I’ve lived here longer than I thought. :)

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