13th September 2007

A little ditty about Jack and Diane

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Jack and Diane bought an acre of land and a house in Alaska in 1987.  They paid about $67,000.  Time went on, their kids grew up, the US went into a housing tizzy, and Jack and Diane looked at their house and realized they could now refinance and get at the equity…maybe fix things up, pay off some debt, buy a nice plasma TV, send the kids to college.

So in 2005 they refinanced using Lending Vine.  They paid off the first mortgage and had money to spend–they had borrowed $135,000, a fairly conservative amount, merely twice what they had bought for, and probably quite a bit less than what their house was worth (on paper) at the time.

Home values were skyrocketing.  People were getting 20% equity increase per year.  All was good.

They got themselves an interest-only adjustable rate mortgage.  Maybe they really looked at the details and decided that the way the housing market was, it was a sure thing that they could sell the house for way more than the mortgage or refinance for way more than the current mortgage when things got problematic.  Maybe they didn’t see the small print until they were signing, and figured it was going to be okay.

They fixed up the house.  They did some other things.

The interest rate on their mortgage changed in 2006 and their payments went up.  The interest rates went up again in 2007, and were probably going to go up again in 2008.

They sat down early in 2007 and looked at the bottom line.

The bottom line was that their mortgage, which was for $135,000 in 2005, was now for $145,000. 

Houses which were selling like hotcakes only a year ago were now sitting stagnant on the market.  Newly built homes in fancy subdivisions were sitting empty, and developers were slashing prices to reduce inventory.

Jack wanted to leave Alaska; he was tired of the winters and wanted to move to the Southwest.  And, no doubt, the increasing mortgage and the increasing mortgage payments weren’t helping.

So Jack and Diane decided to move.  After talking to some friends in the real estate business, and looking at the way the housing market was framing up to be for the year, they sadly decided to put their house of 20 years for sale for less than the going rate, and much less than it could have sold for two years ago.

Go while the going is good, eh?  Pay off that scary mortgage with the numbers increasing every time you turn around…

Names have been changed, some details are made up (such as motivation and when the interest rates went up–but the document indicated that the interest rate could go up the month after the mortgage was signed).  The IO/ARM and the increase in the mortgage balance are not made up–we saw them in the closing documents.

Folks, don’t do it.  Just Do.  Not.  Do.  It.  Jack and Diane lost $10,000, and they were some of the lucky ones–they didn’t lose their house, they ended up with some equity after all, they got out in time.  The Feds are busy changing their tune every week, it seems; first the housing downturn was no big deal, then it was going to be over with in a few months, one week it’s not going to impact the economy, the next week it’s going to cause a recession…

There are states where 60% of the mortgages written up in the last two years are zero-down IO/ARMs.  There are states where the foreclosure rate is doubling.  It’s a scary scenario. 

Our house in Small Mountain University Town has lost 24% of its value in the past year and a half, according to Zillow, and SMUT is an area where housing is still going fairly strongly.  What if we had refinanced then for what our house was (supposedly) valued at?

Things to think about.

There are currently 12 responses to “A little ditty about Jack and Diane”

  1. 1 On September 13th, 2007, figlet said:

    And the Plasma tv ends up costing $25,000. Nice, huh? A story to be repeated over and over and over again of late. Seriously, if people thought about their discretionary purchases in these terms, they might have thought twice before blowing through HELOC money. But they haven’t up til very, very recently. It’s frightening but the writing has been on the wall for a very long time. Sigh. I’m sorry so many people got so caught up in it.

  2. 2 On September 13th, 2007, carosgram said:

    In some ways I am one of the lucky ones. I live in an area of economic blight in Western New York. I bought an Arts and Crafts house with unpainted woodwork, hardwood floors, redone kitchen, large bathroom, 3 bedrooms with walk in closets but only 1 bathroom for $83,000. One of the few advantages of living where there is no growth is cheap housing.

  3. 3 On September 13th, 2007, Miss Cellania said:

    I bought mine for a price that would shock all of you and paid it off in ten years. So I’m living mortgage free now, even thought its falling apart (posted about that today). Looks like I will be stuck with it forever… about every third house I see in this town has a “for sale” sign in front of it.

  4. 4 On September 13th, 2007, noreen said:

    Like carosgram I too live in Western New York with it’s amazingly low-cost housing stock. I’ve never quite understood being “house poor” but maybe because it’s never been an issue in this part of the world. But the big question is, how are you settling in? Have you been to the Alaska museum in Anchorage yet? The last time I was there it was great.

  5. 5 On September 13th, 2007, Jess said:

    I would love to live in Western New York. I have friends that just moved there. ;)

    My husband, when we bought our house in 2003, refused to have anything to do with an ARM, and thank goodness. Also, thank goodness we bought our current place before the mortgage issues.

    I’d also like to know how you’re settling in? How’s the Dotter? My daughter (just turned 5) had some major issues when we moved, and we just moved to the next town.

  6. 6 On September 13th, 2007, spacemom said:

    I grew up in WNY, so moving to BOSTON was a sticker shock. When we bought our first house a friend bought her’s. They got an ARM, we got a fixed mortgage. Guess who had to move within 2 years because they couldn’t keep up with the payments?

    Sigh…
    It is sad…And the lenders laugh all of the way to the bank.

  7. 7 On September 14th, 2007, Val said:

    Ahhh, the late 80’s in the Valley. It was called “Death Valley” in those days. We bought a Lindal cedar chalet on an acre in city limits for $28,000. There was no traffic anywhere, and a nice new high school sat boarded up… no kids to fill the halls. :)

  8. 8 On September 14th, 2007, lisa said:

    Yeah-I took an ARM when I moved out of state in 2005 (don’t tell my dad) because I needed to move for my new job into a higher cost of living area and was still selling my rental property-figured I would refinance as soon as that sold. Wasn’t worried because my house sold the first day on the market and I had a buyer lined up for the duplex-but it all went downhill from there and took a year to sell the duplex. I lost a lot of money, though I have my house and all that-crazy crazy crazy. Of course, I had calculated the risk and thought the odds were in my favor. Can’t imagine the people who went in blind.
    Btw, my duplex lost value rapidly due to the city cutting after school programs and gang recruitment skyrocketing (my buyer backed out because his son was mugged-something that never happened in the 7 years I lived in the neighborhood)-slippery slope… ~lmc

  9. 9 On September 15th, 2007, sheoflittlebrain said:

    I agree! A variable interest rate loan is a ticking time bomb!
    On the bright side-you’re the lucky winner of not one, but TWO meme tags. See details at The One Acre Wood.

  10. 10 On September 16th, 2007, omegamom said:

    Figlet–I see the number of people who don’t realize just how much their plasma TV is going to cost them when they use IO/ARMs to get the money as an indictment of our educational system. The writing *was* on the wall, for quite a while, but so few people looked…

    Carosgram–That sounds lovely! Both the house *and* the price. And western NY to boot…

    Miss C.–Paid off. What a beautiful thought. I read your tale of your contractor’s work; what a pain!

    Noreen–”House poor” is definitely what is going on in areas such as California, metro New York, the East Coast. There are people who are paying 60% of their income for housing! Ack! As for how the dotter is settling in–I think this will be a post this week.

    Jess–I’m glad you avoided the ARM. Quick answer: the move has been dreadfully unsettling for the dotter, but being in our house and having our stuff again has made quite a difference.

  11. 11 On September 16th, 2007, omegamom said:

    Spacemom–I’m sorry for your friend. And I bet Boston was quite the sticker shock!

    Val–I am so envious…while it’s nice to be in our house and it’s light and airy, I drool over the Lindahl cedar homes. And a $27K price tag makes me want to go back in time. Of course, I could have purchased a nice condo in Chicago at the time for about $45K, and almost did.

    Lisa–It sounds like you did your homework. The problem is so many people didn’t…

    SheOfLittleBrain–Hah! I did the memes!

  12. 12 On September 18th, 2007, MommyWithAnAttitude said:

    Yes, I know this story and so many more with much more tragic outcomes. And I too live in an area where home values are still appreciating. I write about them sometimes on my work blog — people really get in over their heads sometimes.

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