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		<title>By: All the best to you!</title>
		<link>http://omegamom.com/2006/04/28/why-i-am-an-angry-agnostic/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>All the best to you!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across your blog and wanted to<br />
drop you a note telling you, Friend, how impressed I was with it.<br />
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		<title>By: MakaMomakaDrakaHPetc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>MakaMomakaDrakaHPetc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you on this!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://omegamom.com/2006/04/28/why-i-am-an-angry-agnostic/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband often says, "I like Jesus. I just have a problem with his fans." (I'm paraphrasing, but, hey.)

Jess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband often says, &#8220;I like Jesus. I just have a problem with his fans.&#8221; (I&#8217;m paraphrasing, but, hey.)</p>
<p>Jess</p>
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		<title>By: PAgent</title>
		<link>http://omegamom.com/2006/04/28/why-i-am-an-angry-agnostic/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>PAgent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-agnostic: Omega left a very nice post in which she proclaimed herself an agnostic. Do you not see that leaving a comment telling her that she isn't REALLY an agnostic is a bit provocative? No? What if someone left a comment hauling out a Theological dictionary and lectured an evangelical Christian that she wasn't 'really' a Christian?

And I believe you when you say that you can find numerous scholarly works where 'agnostic' is defined according to your preference. But this is neither a philosophical nor a theological venue. As such, we're entitled to use the plain meaning of words as they are used in common conversation. An agnostic is "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; &lt;I&gt;'one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god&lt;/I&gt; (Merriam-Webster). I think Omega's use of the term is perfectly acceptable in common parlance. I think you are being overly critical.

And that's the point, really. I'm forced to the conclusion that you have an axe to grind. You have completely ignored the thrust of Omega's post -- that she shouldn't be forced to conform to other's religious holdings -- in order to pick at her use of the term 'agnostic'. And more telling than this, of all the things you could call yourself, you have adopted the &lt;I&gt;nom de plume&lt;/I&gt; "non-agnostic". From all appearances, you seem to think it is VERY important that people be &lt;I&gt;educated&lt;/I&gt; as to what it means to be agnostic, particularly when they are so clearly &lt;I&gt;wrong&lt;/I&gt;.

As long as you are trotting out your lexicographic authorities, why don't you look up 'pedant'.

And now I must apologize to Omegamom for cluttering up her blog and being contentious. I will henceforth leave this thread well enough alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-agnostic: Omega left a very nice post in which she proclaimed herself an agnostic. Do you not see that leaving a comment telling her that she isn&#8217;t REALLY an agnostic is a bit provocative? No? What if someone left a comment hauling out a Theological dictionary and lectured an evangelical Christian that she wasn&#8217;t &#8216;really&#8217; a Christian?</p>
<p>And I believe you when you say that you can find numerous scholarly works where &#8216;agnostic&#8217; is defined according to your preference. But this is neither a philosophical nor a theological venue. As such, we&#8217;re entitled to use the plain meaning of words as they are used in common conversation. An agnostic is &#8220;a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; <i>&#8216;one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god</i> (Merriam-Webster). I think Omega&#8217;s use of the term is perfectly acceptable in common parlance. I think you are being overly critical.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the point, really. I&#8217;m forced to the conclusion that you have an axe to grind. You have completely ignored the thrust of Omega&#8217;s post &#8212; that she shouldn&#8217;t be forced to conform to other&#8217;s religious holdings &#8212; in order to pick at her use of the term &#8216;agnostic&#8217;. And more telling than this, of all the things you could call yourself, you have adopted the <i>nom de plume</i> &#8220;non-agnostic&#8221;. From all appearances, you seem to think it is VERY important that people be <i>educated</i> as to what it means to be agnostic, particularly when they are so clearly <i>wrong</i>.</p>
<p>As long as you are trotting out your lexicographic authorities, why don&#8217;t you look up &#8216;pedant&#8217;.</p>
<p>And now I must apologize to Omegamom for cluttering up her blog and being contentious. I will henceforth leave this thread well enough alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wesner</title>
		<link>http://omegamom.com/2006/04/28/why-i-am-an-angry-agnostic/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Wesner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done.  I wrote Rabbi Gellman upon reading his column, and expressed many of the same sentiments.  It's unjust to assume that a lack of religion is the product of some trauma, amounting to the belief that the only reward of life is death.  Atheists of my acquaintance (I actually call myself a Humanist) do not "expect too little" of life on earth - we expect EVERYTHING of it, because to us, there's nothing else.  If I appear angry, it's really more that I am (as you say you are) threatened by the incursion of the proselytizing fundamentalists into spheres both public and private.  Moreover, many of us are frustrated by the exclusion of our viewpoints from many discussions of religious issues (&lt;I&gt;e.g.&lt;/I&gt; "Islam v. Christianity," as though those viewpoints comprise the entire universe of human thought on The Big Subjects).  

Anyway - more than I intended to write.  All I came to say was "great job."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done.  I wrote Rabbi Gellman upon reading his column, and expressed many of the same sentiments.  It&#8217;s unjust to assume that a lack of religion is the product of some trauma, amounting to the belief that the only reward of life is death.  Atheists of my acquaintance (I actually call myself a Humanist) do not &#8220;expect too little&#8221; of life on earth - we expect EVERYTHING of it, because to us, there&#8217;s nothing else.  If I appear angry, it&#8217;s really more that I am (as you say you are) threatened by the incursion of the proselytizing fundamentalists into spheres both public and private.  Moreover, many of us are frustrated by the exclusion of our viewpoints from many discussions of religious issues (<i>e.g.</i> &#8220;Islam v. Christianity,&#8221; as though those viewpoints comprise the entire universe of human thought on The Big Subjects).  </p>
<p>Anyway - more than I intended to write.  All I came to say was &#8220;great job.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: non-agnostic</title>
		<link>http://omegamom.com/2006/04/28/why-i-am-an-angry-agnostic/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>non-agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Busted! You've all caught me red-handed demanding that words actually be given meanings! Are we all then at liberty to use words that actually have a meaning, but use them in ways utterly differnt from their meaning? If I begin to describe my cat, and mention how he barks at intruders, you all, knowing well what "cat" means, will (rightly) correct my understanding. Likewise, if someone says "agnostic" (which term just means skepticism toward non-material existence and a commitment to the idea that no one can know ANYTHING about supernatural existence), then begins to talk of spirituality and which religions are right or wrong, such a person is saying things completely contradictory to agnosticism. We don't get to have words mean whatever we want them to. If you all don't believe me, look it up in a theological or philosophical lexicon.

Also vis-a-vis labels and forcing ideas, Who says I am "one of those people" as someone says (meaning a hyper-religious sort, I guess)? I said nothing about my own beliefs, rather you have "forced" some category on me. In fact, I like atheists who know what they're dealing with in thought and have a clear notion of things; my point is not about whether there is a god, it's about knowing what you're talking about (like some atheists and theists both do but not all of either camp) vs. treating the question lightly and mishmashing together contradictory ideas to suit one's own fancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busted! You&#8217;ve all caught me red-handed demanding that words actually be given meanings! Are we all then at liberty to use words that actually have a meaning, but use them in ways utterly differnt from their meaning? If I begin to describe my cat, and mention how he barks at intruders, you all, knowing well what &#8220;cat&#8221; means, will (rightly) correct my understanding. Likewise, if someone says &#8220;agnostic&#8221; (which term just means skepticism toward non-material existence and a commitment to the idea that no one can know ANYTHING about supernatural existence), then begins to talk of spirituality and which religions are right or wrong, such a person is saying things completely contradictory to agnosticism. We don&#8217;t get to have words mean whatever we want them to. If you all don&#8217;t believe me, look it up in a theological or philosophical lexicon.</p>
<p>Also vis-a-vis labels and forcing ideas, Who says I am &#8220;one of those people&#8221; as someone says (meaning a hyper-religious sort, I guess)? I said nothing about my own beliefs, rather you have &#8220;forced&#8221; some category on me. In fact, I like atheists who know what they&#8217;re dealing with in thought and have a clear notion of things; my point is not about whether there is a god, it&#8217;s about knowing what you&#8217;re talking about (like some atheists and theists both do but not all of either camp) vs. treating the question lightly and mishmashing together contradictory ideas to suit one&#8217;s own fancy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn't have said it better myself</description>
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		<title>By: LiveAndLetLive</title>
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		<dc:creator>LiveAndLetLive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, OmegaMom.  Thank you.

"Non-agnostic": label shmabel.  it's just a word.  Your 'correction' is irrelevant to the point of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, OmegaMom.  Thank you.</p>
<p>&#8220;Non-agnostic&#8221;: label shmabel.  it&#8217;s just a word.  Your &#8216;correction&#8217; is irrelevant to the point of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: PAgent</title>
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		<dc:creator>PAgent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am utterly certain that "non-agnostic" is completely oblivious to the fact that, in response to your post complaining of people trying to force their definition of religion down your throat, "non-agnostic" is attempting to force their definition of agnostic down your throat.

Ironic, is it not?

But you can't blame them. After all it is MUCH easier to denigrate someone else's beliefs when you are allowed to define them as you wish.

Nevertheless, now that you have been given the official lecture on what IS and IS NOT agnosticism, perhaps you should reconsider your position, missy.

Or, just possibly, you could find a way to make peace with the fact that you disagree with the characterization of your own philosophical outlook by an anonymous and agenda-driven commenter, regardless of how qualified they feel they are to define your existence for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am utterly certain that &#8220;non-agnostic&#8221; is completely oblivious to the fact that, in response to your post complaining of people trying to force their definition of religion down your throat, &#8220;non-agnostic&#8221; is attempting to force their definition of agnostic down your throat.</p>
<p>Ironic, is it not?</p>
<p>But you can&#8217;t blame them. After all it is MUCH easier to denigrate someone else&#8217;s beliefs when you are allowed to define them as you wish.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, now that you have been given the official lecture on what IS and IS NOT agnosticism, perhaps you should reconsider your position, missy.</p>
<p>Or, just possibly, you could find a way to make peace with the fact that you disagree with the characterization of your own philosophical outlook by an anonymous and agenda-driven commenter, regardless of how qualified they feel they are to define your existence for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right on there, I agree with all you said, lots of people do, we are tired of religious people telling us how to live and getting involved in our politics, which write laws, that inforce their ways on us , there are those like us , who want freedom and those who try and take our freedoms away from us by trying to force their beliefs on us, God gave us freedom of choice , they are controllers who think everyone should foolow their way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right on there, I agree with all you said, lots of people do, we are tired of religious people telling us how to live and getting involved in our politics, which write laws, that inforce their ways on us , there are those like us , who want freedom and those who try and take our freedoms away from us by trying to force their beliefs on us, God gave us freedom of choice , they are controllers who think everyone should foolow their way of life.</p>
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